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If a vocaloid sounds better than you. you should start practice singing

Posted by steampianist - November 29th, 2013


EDIT: When i said professional im referring to user in question's definition (whatever it may be) and when i said amateur i mean someone who is not experienced in vocaloid editing/tuning and treats it as a toy :)
NOTE: Tuning is not necessarily something to do with pitch. tuning means editing the vocaloid over-all singing like dynamics, brightness, pitch, velocity, open and etc.....

Hey guys

so a certain user here said that we should not use vocaloid to make professional music and instead use real singers because vocaloids are like toys and should be only used for "fun" well i agree with this person. it is definitely a toy. but it is only a toy when its in the hands of an " amateur musician" or a "tone-deaf-otaku" hehe

anyway this time im featuring the producer Mitchie M. in hopes to make a few people change their minds about vocaloids.

Mitchie M is renowned for his insane god-like tuning skills with vocaloids
(the level of realism is unbelievable. )

In his works you can hear Hatsune Miku Sing, Talk and Rap like a real-ish human. (i shit you not)
his works are mostly EDM, some cute-ish techno and maybe something like a new age ballad... idk... in short its japanese pop music. (obviously)

although his style is pretty much mainsteam (though a very distinctive one) but he makes it up for that incredible tuning of the vocaloid singer. sorry if im being redundant with the whole "oh his tuning is incredible yadayadayada..... so on and so forth" but i just have to stress this cos god dammit just god dammit i wish i was as good as this guy and for someone who isnt a seasoned musician he/she probably might mistake miku for a real human.

anyway i think its best that you hear it for yourselves
(Note this is before the release of miku V3 so he wins the internetz)
here is a complete crossfade album with miku talking...
Greatest Idol Album

seperate songs from the album
-his first song that made him an established vocaloid producer
-Freely Tommorow

-here we have luka rapping i should mention that luka is choppy but here luka sounds so smooth and again miku sounds natural like a k-pop singer or something though i feel iffy with the intro (thats just me)
-Ai Dee (I.D.)

-this has to be the most expressive miku tuning ever (not to mention kawaii as fuck) the way she talks and those little expression she makes is just wow..... Mitchie M. gave a lot of hard work and care
-Viva Happy

-a sort of electro rock but thats not the highlight. the highlight is miku's talking and singing(duh) although there are some traces that she is indeed a vocaloid but damn cant find anyone else (as of now) that can tune like this
-Blooming The Idol

-another kawaii-as-fuck song i think this time he used the V3 version.
-Ageage Again

-"well fine he can make vocaloids sound real but he is only good with miku and probably luka...." oh dear whoever you are i hope you dont eat your words. i should note kaito and meiko sounds robotic in their raw state while rin and len is just damn difficult to tune (they can hurt your ear) but this song says other wise
-Birthday song for miku

and thats all the song i heard from him (he only have a few songs quality/quantity) although i will level with he/she who shuns vocaloids despite mitchie m's hardwork to make vocaloids sound real they still have this robotic quality (though mitchie did great to make it sound natural) and they still have certain limitations in expression but i will tell you this. vocaloids and their producers are scratching and cracking the barrier between vocaloids and real humans and with the progression of technology today who knows one day you might just find yourself dumbfounded for finding out the person singing so wonderfully in the radio turns out to be a vocaloid..

Check out my past news on vocaloid producers
Kikuo

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Mechanical Aesthetics I
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Comments

Wow, those examples ARE really amazing. Mind=blown

Where do you find out about all these awesome tunes?

I just typed in realistic vocaloids in youtube.

really, all musical devices are toys, whether it be FL studio or a guitar or a piano. I'm not a professional guitarist or professional anything but that doesn't mean I cannot attempt to make music to how I see fit!

Yeah definitely you can do whatever the hell you want. And just in case i never said amateurs cant make music the way they see fit.

Professional musician sounds like a term made by elitists or something. (completely ignoring that fact that it's a legit term)

maybe.. but if you think its a term made by elitists then it must be a term made by elitists. but yknow the definition is different for every person. like say professional may mean someone who is established or someone who gets paid or someone who is experienced or a musician who can lick his WENIS. it really depends

Bad worksman whom blames his tools, or so i've been told.

The Speak and Spell is an actual toy, for example, that made it's way on to several very succesfull albums by artists whom are far from obscure or amateurs.

Only vocaloid track i've really enjoyed to date is the miku module doing a metal rendition of the hannya shingyo, everything ellse is far too cutesy for me and that's really my only observation of it.

( i.e. people without exception making certain kinds of music with it that for the life me i would not be able to bear with much. )

I don't really see the point of advocating against the use of it though, to me it seems like just another synth and it's not like vocoders or autotune don't have their place in music either, nevermind being rather ubiquitous in certain genres.

exactly.

woah speak and spell i didnt know that... will check that out.

ahhh you listened to a track arranged by utsu-p. he actually has a lot of original metal songs using miku and i think he is the first one to make miku screech and growl

and i think thats the limitation of a vocaloid. its design and programming. miku is designed and programmed to be cute therefore you will get cute no matter what genre you compose but there are some composers out there like utsu-p who was able to bypass miku's cuteness. ill mention some of them in future news post

For a while I've been thinking about getting Vocaloid (especially since Miku's English version was release) and using it as a computer voice (examples: robotic/AI type characters, "battle gear" voices you'll hear from something like Power Rangers). Hearing some the talking parts in your examples is making me considering it, although I don't think I can to that level of craftsmanship (never touched a musical program at all), and it might be overkill for what I'd like to do.

GO FOR IT

I've only begun to use vocaloids, but I don't have the time to learn how to make them sound real. I've released two songs using Miku ("Nostalgia" and "I can't remember", if you're interested), and the voices still sound a bit stale. I think vocaloid music is completely legitimate. I mean, why not?

dont worry you will find "time" eventually just keep at it

ahhhh will check out your works then.